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Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:00 pm
by 680-686
I discovered this forum while researching El Degas and I think I have some useful information to contribute. First off, I'm not particularly a fan or collector of El Degas, but my first guitar was an ED, and I still own it after 30 years, so it has a lot of sentimental value. I also think that El Degas' quality for the money were quite exceptional, especially compared to today's guitars, and their relative low market value makes them a great deal in the current market.

My first guitar was one of the few original design El Degas instruments - everything else I have seen from ED was a copy of something else, as far as I know. It was purchased brand new in Ottawa in 1981 for $213. The model number on the bill of sale was listed as "El Degas 680" but there were no stickers or markings to confirm that. This is a bolt-on model with the classic El Degas offset double-cutaway body. The body appears to be made from 2 pieces of mahogany finished in dark brown with a natural center stripe (giving it the appeareance of a neck-through like the upscaled similar model). The pickups are stock cream DiMarzios, with 2 tone and 2 volume controls, a 3-way toggle and coil-split switch. The strings feed through the body and onto a fixed bridge with brass saddles. The neck also appears to be a darker mahogany wood, which is rather unusual for a bolt-on, with 24 frets. Because of the elongated headstock, the guitar will not fit in a standard guitar case, but requires either a bass case or a teardrop case.

Fast forward 30 years, and I just bought my guitar's twin in bass version for $150 in a used music store. The bass is identical in almost every way: similar bridge with brass saddles, cream DiMarzio pickup, same knobs, tuning peg style, headstock, etc... The only difference is the neck appears to be maple, probably to accomodate the increased string tension of the longer bass neck. What's interesting is that it came with a small sticker in the back that says "686 Made in Japan", which tends to prove that the similar model number on the guitar bill of sale (680) was probably correct. Another interesting thing is that the bass came with an original form-fitted brown hardshell case, which, given the odd shape of this instrument, could only be for that model only. One would assume the guitar probably came with a similar form-fitted hardshell case, but unfortunately the store where I bought it new must have misplaced it.

So, I would venture to state that the pictured models below are the El Degas 680 guitar and El Degas 686 bass, made in Japan in the late 70s or early 80's and retailing at the time for around $225. I would say current market value for these guitars is probably around $150-$200 apiece with case, and given the construction and materials used, they represent far better value for the money than most of what I see out there.

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Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:33 pm
by charles
Very glad you've been able to share these.

Great score on the matching bass.

Interesting on the model # stickers - any of the stickers I've seen on the backs of the headstocks of these models have been damaged and unreadable. I'm glad someone finally got an intact one.

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:42 am
by gaskett33
Funny - I have the same set, but mine have the dark wood down the middle of both the bass and guitar (and not the darker guitar neck). I believe my bass has the sticker. Love them. I'll try and pop up a photo soon. Art

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:28 am
by charles
Good eye, Gaskett.

All the guitars & basses I've had of this style have also had a darker wood strip in the middle and not the darker neck - however I do remember that on my bolt-on 6-strong model (that I sold a couple of years ago) the dark wood strip was simply stained to look that way - there was not an actual wood strip!

Some more El Degas curve-balls for us to ponder over :lol:

The two 'deluxe' models I have now (neck through 6-string, set neck bass) do have an actual strip of darker wood in the middle.

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:19 am
by sambonee
I have that guitar.  I heard that there's a neck thru version. I really want that one too. Mine has the darker color but it is only a different stain. 

Amazing guitar.  There's one for sale in Barrie now.  

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:28 pm
by Barry
The "Gumby" headstock on these is very similar to some of the Electra-Westone models, which were made by Matsumoku in Japan.
Westone became the Mats "house brand" during the early to late 80's.

I've strongly suspected an ED link to Mats for sometime, and this may be hinting at just such another link.
Have a look see for yourself : http://www.rivercityamps.com/electrapage/index.php

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:24 am
by charles
Hmmmm... so we have copies of the Ibanez Artist Custom series, with a very Matsumoku/Westone headstock? The plot thickens! It's like pea soup! :mrgreen:

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:01 am
by Barry
Actually Charles, if you Google "Ibanez Artist Custom" you get a totally different body design: http://www.google.ca/search?q=Ibanez+Ar ... 60&bih=586
Where did you get that reference from?

My head hurts. Must go lay down now. :?

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:01 pm
by charles
Sorry - when I wrote a "copies of", it should have been "reminiscent of". Some people, myself included, just attribute these models as being reminiscent of the Ibanez Artist series. Not direct copies, but following in the same vein of construction and look, perhaps this was "Matsumoku's take" on the style? Totally speculative, of course.

Now after some searching it looks like that's incorrect.
Kind of reminiscent of these models from Ibanez - the catalog is from 1978 and actually says these are from the "Musician Series":
http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-C ... 978/10.jpg
http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-C ... 978/11.jpg

1979 Ibanez Musician Series basses
http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-C ... 979/10.jpg
http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-C ... 979/11.jpg

http://s93105080.onlinehome.us/Ibanez-C ... 9-1/04.jpg

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:17 pm
by Barry
Close, Charles, but still no cigar.
We had a 70-something musician series come into the shop recently on a trade. One of the heaviest damn guitars I've ever lifted...but very nicely built, neck thru too. Had every sort of switch you could think of for every type of sound you could want.

Looked nothing like these ED's. :wink:

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:11 pm
by charles
The similarities almost make it look like an ape on the Ibanez designs, but who knows. Could have just been the style of the time, sort of parallel thinking on the part of whoever designed them.

These are possibly the only original design El Degas ever had made? :?: :?

Re: Matching El Degas 680 guitar and 686 bass

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:32 am
by Barry
charles wrote:...Could have just been the style of the time, sort of parallel thinking on the part of whoever designed them...
Yeah, there seemed to have been a lot of cross fertilization (plagiarism?) in 70's Japan. Certainly the "natural look" with multiple wood inlays was all the rage for awhile.

Matsumoku had some stunning designs later on in the early 80's under the Aria Pro II and Westone labels in particular, as did Yamaki (Daion), Hoshino (Ibanez, etc), and Fuji Gen (too many to list). By comparison this particular ED design is rather inelegant but it still appears to have been built with a high level of craftsmanship.