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MT 13

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Greetings,

Yesterday, I was fortunate enough to have acquired a beautiful El Degas MT 13 in London, ON.

The guitar was purchased from the original owner, who's parents bought it for her about 39 years ago at a music store in Simcoe, ON. She did not play the guitar. Her brother did play it for a time, but for the most part it has remained under the bed for all these years in it's original case. There are a few dings and scratches on the guitar; otherwise, it's virtually pristine. There is zero wear on the fretboard. I am guessing that the strings on it are at least twenty-five years old, based on what she had informed me of. And, as rusted and brittle as the strings are, the guitar still sounds amazing. Played gently it sings, and played aggressively it is loud and booming. I can't wait to hear how it sounds with a new set of strings and proper setup.

As mentioned in a previous post there is not a country''s name on the soundhole label; only reference to (Modelo No MT 13). There is also a serial number on the base of the neck that can be seen through the soundhole (2 0776).

I am posting a series of photographs of the guitar for your viewing pleasure.

Any information that individuals could share regarding this guitar would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

ED Gibson Les Paul Custom
ED MT 13
Pono PKT-1 Tenor Ukulele
Takamine EN-10C
Fender Champ 600 Amplifier

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That wood grain is simply gorgeous.

Congrats on the new guitar :D

Looks to me like a MIJ model.
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MT 13 Woods

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Could those individuals who are in the know share their thoughts on what woods were possibly used to make my MT 13? Am I safe in assuming that it is a solid spruce top? The back and sides appear to be the same or close to it. Are the back and sides a mahogany? I believe the sides might be a laminate. I think the strip down the centre of the back is also spruce, in that the grain and colour are very similar. It is however an inlay. When you look at the bottom layer through the soundhole it is one piece of wood. This leads me to think that the centre spruce-like piece of wood is an inlay on foundational piece. Once again, any further information would be appreciated.
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The top should be spruce, yes. The inlay is likely spruce, maybe maple? Can't quite get a good look at the grain.
Neck is mahogany.

Forumite Barry and I can never agree as to the highly figured wood used on these MT- models' back and sides. :lol: But we both do make suggestions as to what we think they might be. I've heard of some guitars like these using Koa, but the grain isn't right to be that. Barry has suggested it's likely just very highly figured Mahogany, and I think he may be right. I think we've both mused at times about it possibly being Rosewood, but I am not sure the normally very stiff (and sometimes brittle) Rosewood would lend itself to being shaped for the sides of an acoustic.
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Re: MT 13

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Thanks again. I'll compare it to my Pono which I know is koa wood and see what I can determine. I appreciate all the help.
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charles wrote:The top should be spruce, yes. The inlay is likely spruce, maybe maple? Can't quite get a good look at the grain.
Neck is mahogany.
I would think the inlay in the back is more likely to be a hard wood like maple since the back serves to project sound rather than vibrate like the top does...
Forumite Barry and I can never agree as to the highly figured wood used on these MT- models' back and sides. :lol: But we both do make suggestions as to what we think they might be. I've heard of some guitars like these using Koa, but the grain isn't right to be that. Barry has suggested it's likely just very highly figured Mahogany, and I think he may be right. I think we've both mused at times about it possibly being Rosewood, but I am not sure the normally very stiff (and sometimes brittle) Rosewood would lend itself to being shaped for the sides of an acoustic.
I think it unlikely that Koa was used in the 70's simply because it is so rare and found only in Hawaii in limited quantity. I see it used in some top end Taylor models today, but it's on the $4000 guitars!

More probable would be Brazilian rosewood on the top end ED models (unavailable today of course). And yes you can form rosewood sides. Ain't easy but it is done. It's a testament to superb craftsmanship today, but outstanding to think of it's being done 40 years ago with lesser facilities.
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I agree - that back inlay looks more like maple to me the more I look at it. And, especially when you see the view from inside the guitar, that back wood looks like Rosewood. I'm no expert, but it sure looks like that's right.

I wish you could find Rosewood like that on guitars nowadays (that don't cost thousands) - but that's what makes some of these older guitars even more special.
I don't think Rosewood that nicely figured even exists any longer. :(
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Thank you again for all the information.

I am posting a few snaps of my Pono Ukelele which is made of koa wood. Upon closer examination it is my feeling that the El Degas MT-13 isn't made of koa. I am of the thought that it is indeed rosewood on the back and sides, in that the grain looks substantially different from the mahogany back and sides on my Takamine.

I just dropped the MT-13 off to be given a tune-up/set-up, and to have new strings put on. I should be strummin' and pickin' tonight.

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Yeah, I came to the same conclusion yesterday when I looked at more Koa samples - the grain is much more "meandering" on Koa and you tend to get much more range of color from light to dark throughout.
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Yup. Agree Charles.
Koa, to me at least, has almost a "glow" to it too.
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I picked the MT 13 up today; new strings, proper setup. It is absolutely amazing! The resonance is hard to believe. I am completely enamoured! :D :D
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Congrats again! :D
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You're one lucky bugger Commy! Congratulations! :mrgreen:
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Thanks Gents!
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The seller listed the MT 13 on Kijiji for $150.00. Fortunately, I was the first individual to meet with her and we settled on $120.00. As mentioned in previous posts, she was the original owner. Her parents bought the guitar for her thirty-nine years ago in Simcoe, ON. Surely, this was the best $120.00 I have ever spent.
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